From: Margaret McGregor [margarem@actrix.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 1:26 AM To: McFarland, Thomas L Subject: RE: Moneymore My ancestor, Robert James McFarland was born in the Moneymore in Londonderry - see that document that I first sent you (parish Desertlyn). In that website you sent me in the previous email (thanks for that by the way), I drilled down to Tyrone and then Errigal Keerogue http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=Town landsInCivil&civilparishid=2351&civilparish=Errigal%20Keerogue&citycounty=Ty rone There is a Roughan and a Culnaha there, but no Moneymore, or even a Mullaghmore. So maybe the Moneymore referred to in the Errigal Keerogue baptisms actually meant the Moneymore in Londonderry. This is why I am so confused. How likely is it that they would be living in Moneymore Londonderry but get their children baptized in Errigal Keerogue? I suppose they could have had family back in Errigal Keerogue so wanted their children baptized there? Or maybe they had a bad experience in Moneymore. Or maybe something to do with the life of a surveyor. Have to find out more about that if I can. According to Google maps it is only 28.5 miles between Ballygawley (in the centre of Errigal Keerogue) and Moneymore in Londonderry. When I go to Belfast, I will look for the marriage of Andrew McFarland and Ellen Caldwell in Errigal Keerogue, since it appears that they did get married, maybe around 1833. And I will look for more children born in both places. And search for the birth of Ellen Caldwell in Errigal Keerogue too. Please let me know if you think another search would be helpful. By the way, the more I stare at the Baptism of Andrew 'Cullen' McFarland, the more I can't tell what his second name is, sorry, but the more I think it says Surveyor. There are no other surveyors in your data so not probably not a very common occupation. No other people living in Moneymore in your data either. Summary of data: 1828 Apr-04 Andrew Cullen Andrew McFarland Culnaha Surveyor or Lawyer Errigal Keerogue Ellen Caldwell 1832 Mar-21 Robert James Andrew McFarland Moneymore Surveyor Desertlyn Ellen Caldwell 1834 Augt 24th Mary Jane Andrew McFarland Rougham Surveyor Errigal Keerogue No. 31 Ellen 1837 July 16th Elizabeth Elen Andrew McFarland Moneymore Surveyor Errigal Keerogue No. 13 Elen (Mullaghmore) 1839 March 24 Saml George Andrew McFarland Moneymore Surveyor Errigal Keerogue No. 9 Ellen (Mullaghmore) 1840 Sept 27th David Andrew McFarland Moneymore Surveyor Errigal Keerogue No. 28 Eleanor (Mullaghmore ?) 1844 May 12th Matilda Andrew McFarland Moneymore Surveyor Errigal Keerogue Maria Eleanor (Mullaghmore) I am finding it very helpful to discuss this with you, and to get those scans. Was getting nowhere fast trying to puzzle it out on my own. Thanks Margaret -----Original Message----- From: McFarland, Thomas L [mailto:mcfarlat@uww.edu] Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2015 7:01 p.m. To: Margaret McGregor Subject: Moneymore Margaret: You write: >>I need to work out where those places: Roughan, Culnaha are in >>relation to Moneymore A Canadian friend writes: [1] There is a Moneymore townland in County Down http://www.genuki.eu/DOW/Place768.htm [2] There is also Moneymore village and townland in Co. Londonderry. Cheers, Tom ________________________________________ From: Margaret McGregor [margarem@actrix.co.nz] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:06 AM To: McFarland, Thomas L Subject: RE: baptism scans I can't believe that you actually managed to decipher that will - amazing! And I agree, the Lawyer could be surveyor instead. I had been wondering how many couples called Andrew McFarland and Ellen Caldwell were producing children in that place at that time, so maybe only one couple after all... I don't know how on earth you managed to work out Andrew's middle name though. I have another ancestor who was a sawyer - and this was transcribed as "lawyer" in one document. I need to work out where those places: Roughan, Culnaha are in relation to Moneymore. I am not finding it easy to find suitable maps. I am taking a trip to the UK in May, and will be going to Belfast, so will be able to look up records in PRONI then. So no need to send off for any more records now. Have to plan exactly which ones to look for now though. Cheers Margaret -----Original Message----- From: McFarland, Thomas L [mailto:mcfarlat@uww.edu] Sent: Friday, 23 January 2015 7:34 p.m. To: Margaret McGregor Subject: RE: baptism scans Margaret: Regarding the profession of the father, Andrew........... 1828 handwriting is often hard to read, especially when it is crudely photocopied. I had transcribed Andrew's profession as "Lawyer", comparing the "L" to that in "Laborer" two rows up, and the different-looking "S" in "Smith" one row down. However, giving this more thought, I believe that the term "Lawyer" was not used in Britain at that time to describe what we Americans call "Lawyers". Rather, the British word would have been "Solicitor". Furthermore, the blur which I transcribed as "Lawyer" might actually be "Surveyor". Also compare with "Sawyer" in row 2, and another "Smith" in row 3. Handwriting prior to 1750 can be even harder to transcribe. For example, try this http://math.uww.edu/~mcfarlat/pictures/wills/Will%20of%20Philip%20Risdon.pdf which I transcribed as http://math.uww.edu/~mcfarlat/pictures/will_philip_risdon.htm Cheers, Tom ________________________________________ From: Margaret McGregor [margarem@actrix.co.nz] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 12:04 AM To: McFarland, Thomas L Subject: RE: baptism scans Wonderful, thanks Tom. Got them and can read them. Have been a bit busy the last few days, so haven't done any more on this. However I need to ask you some more questions, but will wait till I can express them properly! Cheers Margaret -----Original Message----- From: McFarland, Thomas L [mailto:mcfarlat@uww.edu] Sent: Friday, 23 January 2015 6:23 p.m. To: Margaret McGregor Subject: baptism scans Margaret: Your email box would not accept all 3 baptisms scans in a single email, so I sent them in 3 separate emails. The scans were 300 dots (pixels) per inch. If you do not have the ability to use such detailed scans, I can reduce the resolution to (let us say) 100 dots per inch, and can crop off the rather wide margins which have no data. Cheers, Tom ________________________________________ From: Margaret McGregor [margarem@actrix.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:44 AM To: McFarland, Thomas L Subject: Re: McFarland Genealogy Yes, I would be keen to see a scan of Andrew Cullen McFarland's baptism, please. I'm wondering how clear "lawyer" is. On my ancestor R J McFarland's death certificate it says that his father was Andrew McFarland, land surveyor. R J McFarland was also a land surveyor and civil engineer. He died in 1901 aged 69, which implies he was born in 1832, so that is why I am trusting the roots Ireland record - everything fits. So there can't be that many couples called Andrew McFarland and Ellen Caldwell could there? Hand to study this data and maps harder, I can see... CORdially Margaret > On 18/01/2015, at 6:38 pm, McFarland, Thomas L wrote: > > Margaret: > > > > I'm very glad to hear from you, and though I will be a bit skeptical > > about how these McFarlands are related, I would like to keep up > > an email conversation with you, since everything that far back is > > open for debate. > > > > First of all, my starting point of thought is in this link > > > > http://math.uww.edu/~mcfarlat/pictures/axm-mxd.htm > > > > At one point, I searched for a birth record for my GG-grandfather > > Andrew McFarland, born about 1830. Mormon records state that > > he died in 1893 at age 62, hence the "1830" birth estimate. A marriage > > record for this same Andrew McFarland lists his father as > > "Andrew McFarland, farmer", and records of births of children > > resulting from this marriage state the farm is in Armaloughey townland. > > > > I sent to PRONI for all the baptismal records in Errigal Keerogue and > > Carnteel parishes containing the name McFarland between > > 1814 and 1852, and was sent photocopies of 13 pages of baptismal > > records. I have transcribed all of these pages to the following link > > > > http://math.uww.edu/~mcfarlat/pictures/baptisms.htm#1828 > > > > Andrew Cullen McFarland appears in the page dated 1828, son of > > Andrew McFarland (lawyer from Culnaha) and Ellen Caldwell. I can > > scan my photocopy if you wish. This original record is probably the > > basis of your "Roots Ireland" transcription. I cannot explain the > > differences in the data, but I would be inclined to trust the PRONI > > photocopy. There are 3 scans reproduced on the above web page, > > and they can be hard to read, so either I erred or Roots Ireland erred. > > > > Comparing the two above people named "Andrew McFarland", both > > born about 1830, both linked the Errigal Keerogue or Carnteel > parishes, > > my sense is that these are two different people, and though they > > are almost certainly related somehow, I cannot see how. > > > > I am aware of your GGG-grandfather Robert James McFarland, but I > > could not find a link between this person and the families in the > first > > link above. A conjecture is that your Robert is a brother of the > > Andrew McFarland of Armaloughey born 1790, but I have no data. > > > > Interestingly, the Andrew McFarland born about 1830 from Armaloughy > > had a son named Robert James McFarland. born 24 Dec 1879. > > > > Tantalizing coincidence ! > > > > I'm fairly sure that Moneymore and Mullaghmore are the same townland, > > the latter being the Irish equivalent. > > > > Let us stay in touch. > > > > Cheers, Tom > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Margaret McGregor [margarem@actrix.co.nz] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:44 PM > To: McFarland, Thomas L > Subject: McFarland Genealogy > > Hi Tom, > > I was very interested to find your genealogy pages, and I think that > some or all of the McFarlands below could be the siblings of my GGG Grandfather, Robert James McFarland. > R J McFarland does not show up on your list, I found his birth in the Desertlyn Parish, but living in the town of Moneymore. > His father was Andrew McFarland, a land surveyor, and his mother was > Ellen Caldwell. Birth recorded as illegitimate. Born in 1832. > I have attached his baptism record. I have assumed that his Moneymore > was the town near Magherafelt, since he got married in Magherafelt. > > Can you please tell me, with the records below, what do you mean by Moneymore (Mullaghmore)? Do you think it is likely to be the same place? > I have tried to get to grips with the geography of this area but am struggling. > > I have more questions, but will wait to see if you reply first. Not > sure if you would still be at the same email address. > > Cheers > Margaret McGregor > > > > 1828 > [cid:9a15293019d24410077a8b5a3f2083ee.png] > > 1834 > [cid:aaae8da9a2596ea0c45c2075512658c5.png] > > 1837 > [cid:351f7d4c737b30a1b53e47205f15ea2e.png] > > 1839 > [cid:24f5880467bd55ea33c71bf75c08e0bd.png] > > 1840 > [cid:63dc3d0735a7ea8c71653b70d49728eb.png] > > 1844 > [cid:5c90ff02a802ae5344182a226b999a5a.png] > (have found her death record in America, and her birth mother's maiden > name was Caldwell) > > > Evernote helps you remember everything and get organized effortlessly. Download Evernote. >